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Matichon reports that yesterday, CRES and army spokesman Col. Sansern gave a press conference that the red shirt leaders are part of a plot to overthrow the monarchy. Col Sansern states the red leaders are using false information with the intention of attacking the high institution which is loved and respected by all Thais (โดยใช้ข้อมูลอันเป็นเท็จมุ่งโจมตีสถาบันเบื้องสูงอันเป็นที่รักเคารพของคนไทยทุกคน) and particularly there is now a systematic movement (โดยเฉพาะมีการดำเนินการอย่างเป็นระบบ) which includes the main and minor red shirt leaders and also includes those who have cases against them and have fled (ผ่านทางกลุ่มบุคคลที่เป็นแกนนำหลัก และแกนนำรอง รวมถึงบางคนที่มีคดีติดตัว และหลบหนีไป). The various red shirt publications present news which continually attack the institution which all Thais love (เหล่านี้คือสื่อสีแดงที่ให้ข้อมูลข่าวสารที่หมิ่นเหม่และจาบจ้วงต่อสถาบันเบื้องสูงอันเป็นที่รักของคนไทยตลอดเวลา). Col. Sansern also criticises the red shirts for involving the Queen's lady-in-waiting and that the attacks on her involve false information which should not occur. The leaders are trying to raise this issue to cause confusion in society and it is a distortion of the truth. The attacks on the Queen's lady-in-waiting or many may think that there are intentions higher than this, society must consider this (การใส่ร้ายโจมตีท่านผู้หญิงจรุงจิตต์นั้น ถือว่าเป็นข้อมูลอันเป็นเท็จทั้งสิ้น เป็นสิ่งที่ไม่บังควร ซึ่งแกนนำพยายามหยิบหยกประเด็นนี้ขึ้นมาสร้างความสับสนให้สังคม บิดเบือนข้อเท็จจริง มุ่งโจมตีท่านผู้หญิงจรุงจิตต์ หรือหลายคนอาจมีความคิดว่ามีวัตถุประสงthค์อื่นใดที่สูงไปกว่านี้ ซึ่งสังคมต้องพิจารณากัน). This is upping the ante of the protests to make them terrorism in their full form by making a connection with a person close to the institution (ซึ่งถือเป็นการยกระดับการชุมนุมเป็นการก่อการร้ายเต็มรูปแบบโดยโยงใยไปถึงบุคคลใกล้ชิดสถาบัน). BP: A new definition of terrorism it seems. Then Col. Sansern distributed the below hand-out to journalists - you can see it from ASTV Manager.
NOTE: The blue text is BP's addition. Not quite finished, but ran out of time. For a larger size image click here. In case you think this is some little military project that the government is not aware of, the lead for the Matichon article is this quote from Abhisit when he asked about just after Col. Sansern's press conference (they are both at the 11th infantry regiment). He respondes by stating "The truth is that this movement on this subject has been happening for a long time in the various media, but there are various connections. Now, CRES can much more clearly see the network and further action must be taken," said Abhisit ("ความจริงแล้วการเคลื่อนไหวในเรื่องนี้มีมาโดยตลอดตามสื่อต่างๆ แต่ความเชื่อมโยงต่างๆ ในขณะนี้ทาง ศอฉ.ได้เห็นภาพที่เป็นเครือข่ายชัดเจนมากยิ่งขึ้น ก็ต้องดำเนินการต่อไป" นายอภิสิทธิ์กล่าว). Abhisit states it is necessary to create an understanding amongst the people that this problem is occuring (การสร้างให้เกิดความเข้าใจในหมู่ประชาชนว่ากำลังมีปัญหาแบบนี้เกิดขึ้น). BP: Right out of the PAD's playbook. So how far will the government push this?
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I'll preface this by saying I'm a firm monarchist and would resist any group trying to overthrow it or change it's structure. Now having said that, the groups that claim to uphold it loudest and the groups that use it as a political tool for their own gain may well be the ones that eventually bring on it's downfall by their own actions. I've often said that you can tell the loyalty to the royal family by the number of pictures hanging in a house. The rural poor have a big advantage on this one. The UDD is very strict in what can and cannot be said on their stage. If anyone says anything inappropriate they are immediately not only removed from the stage they are removed from the site. This government which hunting and disinformation has reached a fever pitch and for the sake of the country they have to curtail all this rumor mongering and misinformation PR Spin.
Why is this chart even being issued? The government would seem to already have plenty of reasons/excuses to crack down on the Red Shirts. What does it portend?
It is not disputed that some of the reds like Giles are anti-monarchy. That said the diagram is laughable if it is supposed to represent hard evidence of a plan to overthrow the monarchy. It is clearly propaganda for the establishment, which Suthichai is more than happy to print.
It is undisputed that some of the reds like Giles are anti-monarchy. That said the diagram is laughable if it is supposed to represent hard evidence of a plan to overthrow the monarchy. It is clearly propaganda for the establishment, which Suthichai is more than happy to print. All the diagram does is help reinforce pre-existing anti-red beliefs and attitudes held by the ASTV-PAD muppets who themselves are just a tool of the anti-democratic aristocracy.
"Col Sansern states the red leaders are using false information with the intention of attacking the high institution which is loved and respected by all Thais" Except for the ones who don't it seems...
This "organization chart" for the red shirt "plot to destroy the Thai monarchy" looks like one of Glenn Beck's wacky drawings.....it would seem beyond belief that anyone could actually take it seriously as "proof" of anything other than the author's instability......
In addition to the deep-rooted desire to re-enact 1976, the true story is that there is something of a palace coup taking place. A cabal of palace insiders and fast-tracked undeserving officers are working very very hard to take control of the Palace and thereby the entire nation. It would seem like a sick joke but piece by piece the analysis points in this direction, nicely summarized by our friends at New Mandala: http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/the-deep-political-crisis-within-the-royal-thai-army-officer-corps/
Desparate governments do desparate things to keep themselves looking good when actually fear, power, corruption and greed are at the heart of their strategy! Shameful and destructive to a country of good people who should not be so shamelessly abused!
If all Thais love and respect the king is a fact and the red leaders are Thai. The statement "red leaders are using false information with the intention of attacking the high institution which is loved and respected by all Thais" is not true. Some may dearm of the republic, but right now, it's still not the right time, we all know that. Now, CRES can much more clearly see the network??? From the picture, the network is as messy as the London subway. How clearly indeed!!!
This morning between 7.00 and 7.45 am I read an article in the Bangkok Post reporting on the alleged plot: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/175917/govt-claims-plot-targets-king The comments posted by readers below the article were largely scathing about the allegations. At about 10.00 - 10.30 am I returned to the article to find the original comments were no longer there, but the new comments seemed largely supportive of the allegations. I now find (12 noon) that all comments are gone, and there is no longer any provision for making any.
How does one "overthrow" a constitutional monarchy? And what would be the practical consequences? The PM doesn't prostrate before the King and his dog anymore?
Im no big fan of PAD, but I do read Thai and I have thumbed through a few of the Red's publications, namely Voice of Taksin and Truth Today and they are most certainly targeting the Monarchy, with shocking explicitness. So PAD is right about that - like it or not, just pick up the red publications and read it. With the level of violence escalating and 65 million people's lives and futures at risk, I would not condemn any action taken by the government to deal with these people. Please remember the following... when you conspire against your own nation, that is called treason, and if you are a foreigner conspiring against another nation, that is called espionage - both are punishable by death. bp: So the publications advocate the overthrow of the monarchy?
It really makes me sick. Until now, the whole thing looked like a replay of the Suchinda government. But now it seems to move more into the direction of October 1976...
"The PM doesn't prostrate before the King and his dog anymore?" Ouch! That hurts, Khun BKK Lawyer
By the linking in the chart, I'd say someone's watching Glen Beck. Damn you Rupert Murdoch!!! [fist raised and shaking]
Tony, given that they've torn up 18 constitutions, I'd say the Thai military have been conspiring against the Thai nation for one hell of a long time.
Why has it taken them so long to roll this one out? Classic ploy by end of the road aristocrats. If I may remark to your comments Tony is that the "monarchists" have it coming to them. Never forget that people who have nothing to loose can be manipulated and led to open rebellion. That is what the establishment has forgotten in their greed. Now to late. Also the reds are by far better behaved than the Yellow shirts when they did their thing. So who is to blame?
If Thais are too stupid to learn from their own history, then they could try learning from repetition.
BP - they write story after story about how various "people's revolutions" have risen up and overthrown their monarchies, including revolutions that have ended with their Kings being murdered, there are other Red magazines with pictures of Lenin on the front telling people to "seize the moment - history won't forgive us if we don't act now", then inside will be articles about how the last Czar of Russia was killed. Its very obvious what they are implying, and of course they are not going to write it out and sign it as a confession, but they are way, way over the line with speech that would be considered sedition in even the most tolerant of nations. I suggest you get some copies and have them translated, you will find it very illuminating.
Like it or not the military is indeed in charge and they will roll heads before they let Thaksin back in. Thaksin's buddy Hun Sen is busy selling land by the 100's of thousands of acres to foreigners right under his own people. I could imagine lots of foreign investors would love to get a similar, shameless sell-out like Thaksin, into power in Thailand, but that would involve getting all the current power brokers, who are nationalists, not globalists, out of power. What better way then with communist class warfare? Given a choice, most of Thailand chooses the establishment, that much is clear.
Tony: Those articles refer to absolute monarchy's - wouldn't a constitutional monarchy have nothing to fear by such talk?
Tony said: "when you conspire against your own nation, that is called treason" Perhaps it's not "the nation" that they conspire against. One thing is certain: if they lose, they are traitors; if they win, they are liberators.
Breaking News. As the result of expertise in the further application of GT 200 technology provided a highly qualified scientist and a senior military commander, the PM and deputy PM have finally been able to fit together the last pieces of the jigsaw. “We now have non-incisive proof that the red shirts are in fact Klingons, and that Thaksin is a direct descendent of Worf,” said a source deep inside the emergency solution bunker. “We also know that the grenade launchers will soon be fitted with anti-matter warheads and launched from somewhere on Kronos.” The protest leaders have immediately rebutted these claims by asserting that the PM, the entire Democratic Party and all elites are actually Romulan economic migrants and were able to provide evidence of this using their own adaptation of one of the several hundred GT200 devices recently found in a police waste-bin near Khon Kaen.
Agree with Tony. Just check out the covers of some of the magazines: They're practically screaming for a revolution. There's the one with a garuda with its face scratched out (what does a garuda represent in Thailand?), and then the one with the playing cards with Abhisit as the jack, Prem as the queen, and the third card face down (hmm, jack, queen, what comes next? Have to think about that for a while). Besides the various histories of revolutions against monarchies around the world, I think one of the most intriguing is the one with a big swastika symbolizing what they see as a fascist regime. The words in the box in the left hand corner read, roughly: "The antiquarian killer, brother number one of the feudal elite, is not yet dead!" Now who could the 'antiquarian killer' be, and who did he kill, way back when in antiquity? Why the 'not yet' dead? Is his death an impending event? And those are just the front covers, never mind what's inside. These magazines are definately pushing the boundaries of freedom of speech in Thailand, and interestingly enough are selling like hotcakes up here in the North (and from what I've heard, in Bangkok, too). The writers, designers and editors of the magazines know what they're about, their readers know, and the government most certainly knows, as do the talk show hosts on NBT who hold them up as examples of the depths the rural hordes have sunk to. Anyone who falls for the 'any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental' line has their head in the sand. (There's a nice collection of Red Shirt magazine covers at 2bangkok.com for those interested.)
Tony Every monarchy that hasn't reformed has been swept away. That's an historical fact. Are you saying it's forbidden to discuss world history? I would also add that some of the most equitable, peaceful, democratic societies on earth are monarchies - Norway, Denmark, Sweden. Thailand could aim for the latter. But it needs wide sweeping and complete reform - not only of its monarchy but its military as well. Given Thailand's economic development it is an incredibly backward place. This has stunted further economic, cultural and social benefit. The choice is progress on all fronts - and all that comes with it - or regression back to a Sarit-type era. Which on the face of it, is almost an impossibility. Despite the fantasies of royalists and PAD members.
Gives even more encouragement to half-committed republicans to now come in the open and assures more and more people that it is no longer taboo to speak about the monarchy anymore.
banphai - an interesting observation that I also have made. It appears that there is a split in the Post. I've noticed that pro red comments appear overnight and then often they are removed and replaced with pro government comments in the morning. This also happened under the PD but in reverse. It appears they have 2 shifts one red one yellow, just like Bangkok.
I imagine Aj Somsak J. is laughing hard right now, seeing himself described as Fah Diew Kan's ideological leader or whatever the diagram suggests.
That chart reminds me of this one: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html
Please look at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html?ref=world
Dear BP On the issue of telling the truth as it is I felt compelled to write to the BBC this morning with the comments below. You may wish to follow up the issue: "Today you broadcast Thai PM Abhisit accusing the opposition Red Shirts of violence - yet your interviewer does not challenge the assertion. The killings of 10 April were started by black clothed military commandos, troops fired noxious tear gas at the Reds and 500 of them suffered injuries at the hands of the soldiers. The source of grenade attacks at Silom has not been determined and despite the government blaming the Reds no evidence has been produced. Sorry, the BBC should not be a mouthpiece for violent politicians."
What an unprofessional-looking chart. Looks like one of my strategy maps from playing general up in the treehouse as a kid. All I can say is... "Made in Thailand"
Was this made in Paint? It looks like the Thai Army uses Windows 3.0...
This piece of evidence was constructed based on insanity and prejudice. 'Nuff said.
How could they make so many errors by omission? For example, this chart neglects to mention that the UDD started AIDS, kills babies, supports Al Qaeda, is inciting World War III, and made fun of your mom. Or, maybe that chart is in the pipeline.
Not my habit to duplicate posts, but a further reference to the following seems called for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon
Is anyone up to replicating this chart but entering the information relating to the coup engineers, the elite and others and showing us who the real enemies are?
There's no doubt the diagram is hype, as is the idea that all Red Shirts want to topple the monarchy. Having said that, with some of those Voice of Thaksin covers they're not exactly making things easy for themselves (the playing card issue in particular). I keep wondering, the reaction of the rank and file members to this magazine is what? They ignore it? They don't know about it? You get the feeling Thaksin wants it both ways. He's Mr. Capitalism and Thailand's version of Lenin, all at the same time. (At least until he gets into power and turns into Lee Kwan Yu again).
Thaksin is a corporate fascist working for international banksters. No I didn't spell banker wrong. He's going to usher in a "people's revolution" and once all of his opponents are dead at the hands of blood thirsty ignoramus "Prai" he is going to sell all their land out from under them like Hun Sen is doing in Cambodia. The man is a fiend, and you've got to be as naive as a 5 year old not to see it. All governments are corrupt, but at least the current regime in Thailand lives and lets live. Nothing is stopping these people up North from an education and a job, besides dice, beer, and laziness. Plenty of people came from Issan to BKK for a better life. Under corporate fascism people are going to be taxed and regulated into slavery.
I feel present PM is good at alleging people. One of these person,Gen Chavalit, who was alleged was the ex-PM. When yellow shirt protest, he use police with tear gas but there were 1 boom from unknown source and one person died. He took responsibility by resigning immediately and ordained to stop violence. He used to be also King's solder. So I feel he has qualification of good leader. So it's impossible that he wants to overthrown the monarchy.
Mithran, What's wrong if you have a "Lee Kuan Yew" in Thailand? Just do a google search and you can see so many articles from so many countries wishing that they have a "Lee Kuan Yew" to lead them or hope that their leaders learn from "Lee Kuan Yew". http://www.bworldonline.com/main/content.php?id=10782 http://www.swans.com/library/art16/femia36.html http://www.emerginvest.com/Source/TigersFrontiers/2010/5/6/super-growth-from-third-world-to-first-world-how-to-do-it.html http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=446545 Seriously, I would love to clone more "Lee Kuan Yew" then any other politician in the world. |
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