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The case against the 69 billion baht of assets seized from Thaksin and his family in regarding to what Thaksin did to benefit Shin Corp is coming to a conclusion with the verdict due at the end of February. By all accounts, all the money will be seize. The claims against Thaksin are outlined from this The Nation article below:
BP: Below is an excerpt from a 2007 post looking at these issues. The annoying thing about all of this is that Thaksin had done nothing, AIS would have a much larger market share as the changes his government made to the DTAC concession at the same time, his main competitor, meant they were able to compete with AIS in the pre-paid market. If these changes had not been made, the Thaksin family holdings would have been worth a lot more. This is what BP can never understand why this is not mentioned. Will repeat the main point, DTAC's concession was changed so instead of paying 200 baht a month, they only paid 18% whereas AIS moved from 25% to 20%. It bares pointing out that Average Revenue Per User (ARPU) in mid 2005 was 314 Baht. Now, if the concession had not changed, DTAC would have to pay 200 Baht whereas after the change in concession they only had to pay 56.52 Baht (ie 18%). It does't take a genuis to work out if AIS only had to pay 25% and DTAC 200 Baht then DTAC would not have been able to compete with AIS yet because the Thaksin government reduced both concessions, this is one of the stated reasons, why the government will seize the entire 76 billion baht. Explain the logic of that. Below is the 2007 post: Asia Sentinel have an interesting article which looks at policy corruption and the freezing of Thaksin's assets:
COMMENT: If DTAC still had to pay 200 baht per user per month on pre-paid revenue and AIS 25% would DTAC be able to compete? According to a DTAC report from August 2005 "Prepaid average revenue per user (“ARPU”) in Q205 was THB 314". They would not be able to sustain such low prices with ARPU being only 314 baht and having to pay 200 baht per month as part of their concession. NOTE: Edited this post to reflect it was 69 billion baht and not 76 billion baht that was frozen. I actually do wonder exactly how much extra money the government received from the reduction in concession fees. Without the lower prices the rapid market penetration would never have been achieved as the vast majority of the growth has been in the pre-paid sector. The government has extra money from (1) concession revenue, (2) extra VAT, (3) corporate tax. Surely, they should take these factors into account as opposed to just the reduced concession fees? the government received each year from the reduced percentage of concession fees. . How can they argue that it cost the state 71.7 billion baht? If the concessions were left the same, AIS would have smashed DTAC in the pre-paid market. They would have had a virtual monopoly given their pricing advantage. Also, what about the benefit to the consumers from cheaper prices? Another maj
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Nice try. But what has been utterly failed to be mentioned here is that a businessman holding so huge and complicated vested interests intertwining with government decisions should not complicate his own country, his country's political system by attempting to wear two hats in the first place. Thaksin's business interests are too staggering to add into it such a staggering political dimension of him being the decision maker for Thailand. Period. Now that he refused to heed that, don't cry like a baby.
Abhisit and his family have many large-scale business interests, all of them impacted by either implementing, shifting or maintaining various government policies. Korn and his family have many large-scale business interests, all of them impacted by either implementing, shifting or maintaining various government policies. Probably the majority if not almost all of the major Thai political players, both on the stage and behind the scenes, have many business interests, almost all of them impacted by government policies or non-policies. A group and entity which cannot be mentioned which has over-whelming political influence, has enormous business interests in every aspect of the Thailand economy, all of them impacted by government policies or non-policies. Are the unspoken rules for overt and hidden political players in Thailand about to be changed so that whoever loses politically can also expect to lose all or most of their own and their wife, children and extended family's financial assets? And if such a rule change takes place, will there be large scale asset cases and seizures each and every time one set of political players loses and the other set wins? It seems to me that such a chaotic scenario has the potential to create tremendous instability and damage not only to the players involved but to the entire Thailand economy and development pattern. Perhaps a more optimum outcome can be achieved by the various players sitting down and arriving at a more traditional Thai compromise or Middle Way solution that makes more sense and is more benficial to not only themselves but Thailand and its future as well......
Anonymous : Well agree that no PM or senior Minister should own or have their family own such a large company. However, it happened. You don't seem to disagree with anything in the post.
Thaksin might be the bad guy, his money probably should be siezed, but one message is very clear to all businessman: -Dont do big business in this country. -Dont keep your money in the kingdom. -If you have lot of money in the kingdom, transfer to the foriegn bank. -All big Business, especially thai businessman, are corrupted in one way or another. -there are might more message.
Just some thoughts Thaksin and his family, are being brought to the Supreme Court for violation of the NCCC Act, primarily, that as a result of his position he became Unusually wealthy. The NCCC act. section 30, states that any person who provides any hint,clue, information or fact in a case of unusual wealthiness is entitled to a reward prescribed by the NCCC. On the 27th December 2006, AEC spokesman, Sak Kowsangruang announced that the AEC had set the reward at 25% of any money seized. The case in question is a civil case. The court is totally unconcerned whether actions by Thaksin were legitimate, only that those actions benefited Shin Corporation. All of these actions are of course a matter of public record, and so this whole case is really about whether Thaksin, His wife or minor children (As disclosed on Asset declaration disclosures) were in fact benificiaries. Basically the whole case revolves around WinMark and Amply Rich, and whether Thaksin, his wife or minor children had any control over these companies. Virtually all the investigating of WinMark and Amply Rich were carried out by the Democrat Party, and in particular Korn and Korbsak with minor roles by Abhisit and Sirichoke. 25% of 76 billion is 19 billion baht. Maybe I am just being suspicious, but it does seem that this case maybe as financially important to Thaksins enemies as it is to Thaksin and his family.
My guess is the entire asset would be confiscate on the ground that Thaksin DID something. The ruling would base on ethical and moral ground, citing it does not matter if what he did benefit or detrimental to AIS. The fact that his action related to his business holding would constitute an action of corruption. Time to place your bet!
Fall - Agree that it seems that Thaksin will lose it all after some behind the scenes negotiations failed.
If they seize all of Thaksin's assets then there are going to be a large number of high level wealthy business people saying to themselves, "There but for the grace of God, go I". These people will systematically and quickly remove as much of their wealth from Thailand as possible while selling off the bulk of their assets without trying to raise too much of an alarm. In the end this will be devastating to the Thai economy. Rich and wealthy people will protect that wealth at any cost including putting it somewhere offshore so they don't become the next singled out victim.
End of Feb?? This allegation actually involve other cases to be decided or to be filed to the court. Logically, you can't decide if this money is illegal unless you've decide which case is illegal. The logical thing to do is to postpone the decision until all the related case is decided. Unfortunately, this is Thailand. Anything can happen. Another thing, conflict of interest is an important thing. But it is impossible that PM or any Minister to have absolutely no conflict of interest. The key is how it is addressed during decision making. And if it can be shown that those decisions are the benefiting the country.
The conclusion: Thaskin is no more guilty of abuse of power then the Elite running the corruption right now. The treatment of Thaskin and his family after the coup is very un-Thai behavior. They coupe-d him and then they kept going and discredited him everywhere he went, they froze his assets and humiliated his family and friends. Simply put, they humiliated him (and still do) and made him lose much more face then needed (hatred). That is unusual that they do this to other Thai´s because it will haunt them later. Usually the only do treat foreigners and especially foreign businessmen and their companies like this because they know they can´t protect themselves in Thailand. The Thai´s and the corrupt government agencies give out hunting license on them so they don´t stand a chance. So the fact that they hunted Thaskin and still do with so much intensity means that they fear his retributions against them and they should. The result of this is that Thailand is just few steps (day´s) from a bloody civil war. This really need´s to happen because there is no other solution after all that has happened. Hopefully very soon because every delay of this confrontation means that it will be more bloody and more people will suffer when it actually happens. My vote goes to the masses, the poor red, and Thaskin. Why? I think it´s the best choice of two bad for the majority of Thai´s. The Thai monarchy has been abused by the elite and the Monarchy is now owned by the Elite. For true progress and reconciliation to take place in Thailand the war needs to happen.
Pundit, over the last three years or so I have tried to explain many times about he numerous and major corrupt deals conducted by Thaksin during his time in power, especially with regards to telecommunications. I referred you many times to the Pasuk and Baker book. Have you read it yet/ It now has an updated chapter.
My guess is that if the court can find any reason whatever to postpone a decision that is exactly what they will do. Bearing in mind that Thaksin's assets were already substantial before he was PM it strikes me that it would take quite a stretch to confiscate all or even the greater part. On the other hand there is a tremendous fear of what he might be able to do once a large part were released. Simply by drawing the matter out and keeping his assets frozen the establishment will hope to minimise his effectiveness.
@redandwhite - yes and for the last 3 years he has been explaining why he disagree with you. |
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