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The Thaksin interview with The Times
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Nov. 10 2009 - 06:00 am
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Some of the links have already been blocked and the government has already threatened to take action against those who report on it so won't link to the article or the full transcript.

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was hoping mad and quickly released a statement criticising the headline and the lead. He stated:

1. I never gave an interview with the content "calls for 'shining' new age after King's death". This headline is the action of Times Online. It is false. I never gave an interview like that.

2. I never gave an interview with the statement "called for reform of the country’s revered monarchy and spoken of a “shining” new age after the era of the ailing King, Bhumibol Adulyadej". This writing is the acts of Times Online. It is a distortion. I have never given an interview like that.

3. I have never given an interview which were offensive to the monarchy in any way. On the contrary, in the interview, I defended the institution of monarchy as being above politics and said the Thai people adore the institution.

4. I gave an interview extolling the honour and intelligence of the Crown Prince

I am upset on the way Times Online presents the news this time. I spoke to the interviewer and told him that the institution was a very sensitive matter and that it was necessary to report directly what I said. I condemn Times Online for publishing this false and confusing article.I would like to repeat again that my family and I are loyal to His Majesty the King and Her Majesty the Queen and like all Thais are ready to sacrifice our lives to protect the monarchy

The part of the interview where Thaksin refers to the Crown Prince shining is:

But after he becomes the King I'm confident he can be shining to perform Kingship, because he has observed His Majesty, his father, for many years. He learns a lot from His Majesty. It's not his time yet. But when the time comes I think he will be able to perform.

BP: Not sure there is too much wrong with this.

Then on the talk of reform, Thaksin states:

[Q] So the monarchy is a good thing but the royal institution needs reform – is that right?

[A] Yes, yes.

[Q] What kind of reform?

[A] The constitutional monarchy must be strictly abided by
. All the institutions must function according to the rule of law and the political rules, but sometimes they've been influenced. The justice system can be intervened in by the palace circle.

BP: The above section is what has led to varied translations in the Thai media and has been made a focus - see Matichon.Thaksin seems to be worried that "reform of monarchy" will be equated with "overthrow the monarchy", but from the transcript you can't draw that conclusion. The differences from what Thaksin said are not that great. It is not a distortion, but a small change of words can change the meaning slightly which is part of the problem.

When Abhisit came to power there was talk of providing clear guidelines about lese majeste cases as the Foreign Ministry stated just a few weeks ago:

To ensure its proper enforcement, the government is also in the process of providing clearer guidelines on its application. As it is though, the law is not aimed at curbing freedom of speech and expression nor the legitimate exercise of academic freedom including the debates about the monarchy as an institution. Amidst the on-going intense political differences, apparent attempts to politicize the monarchy for political ends seem to have unduly gained momentum. Those who follow developments in the country are therefore asked to be more careful in differentiating facts from rumors.

BP:  So talk of reform although still keeping a constitutional monarchy is not okay? Bangkok Governor's interview with Der Spiegel though has not attracted the same attention although one could say it was equally controversial in parts with talk of HM's role in politics.

Thaksin's problem in the interview seems related to his comments about the Crown Prince although as AP notes he offered praise for the Crown Prince throughout:

In the Times interview, which included a transcript posted online, the former prime minister was laudatory about Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn, whom he described as "the newer generation, modern."

"He has a very strong determination to do what he really wants to achieve," said Thaksin.

BP: Actually, it was this open support for the Crown Prince that BP found more interesting...

On the political fallout, these things are hard to judge. One can't poll, but as The Nation notes:

The Times Online report was circulated like wildfire on the Web, prompting fiery criticism and catching the Pheu Thai Party off guard.

BP: Translations have also popped up online. The article has gone viral. Many will find it inappropriate that there is any talk of the institution, but am not so sure this interview is that damaging politically given discussions over such issues are much more widespread nowdays although this will depend on how accurate translations that spread are. There is an immediate effect of unease of what Thaksin said, but once translations circulate up-country am not so sure that many will be that offended.

Democrat reaction has been typical ranging from Abhisit being relatively calm to his spokesman Thepthai stating that punishment for stating such things is beheading for 7 generations (โฆษกมาร์ค ชี้ แม้ว สุดชั่วจาบจ้วงเบื้องสูงรุนแรงต้องประหาร 7 ชั่วโคตร).



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by Veharachan
on 11/10/2009 06:53 am

This interview is not a direct attack on the King like the one he gave Financial Times that the King was aware of the coup before hand. In this interview the transcript did not directly support the headline, "Ousted Thai leader Thaksin Shinawatra calls for ‘shining’ new age after King’s death" but there are Thaksin's words in the interview from which AsiaTimes can use to construct such a heading. Apparently Thaksin did not insist on final approval power over the heading of the AsiaTimes article. It reflects general crudeness and carelessness of the man. If people believe that Thaksin is a republican, trying to end the monarchy in Thailand, this interview and his FT interview would tend to support their belief, because the heading can be read to reflect Thaksin's ill will toward the King who is in fragile health. This type of behavior is analogous to digging his own grave. It is worse than being used by Hun Sen from cambodia to provoke his own motherland.


by Mithran
on 11/10/2009 01:31 pm

Veharachan, name me the newspaper that gives its interviewees approval over their own headlines.




by BKK lawyer
on 11/10/2009 02:03 pm

Veharachan: The transcript of the Financial Times interview also did not support the headline that the king knew of the coup!

Today, as with the FT article and the recent rumours incident (regarding the stock market), people are confusing and conflating the elements of each incident.

People confuse the rumours themselves (which no one has ever reported, to my knowledge) with the reports that 'rumours caused the stock selloff'. The report was entirely accurate, even if the alleged rumours were completely false.

Today, there is the Times interview and there is the Times article that quotes from the interview. The article gives a far different impression of what Thaksin actually said than the interview transcript does.

This is really frustrating to watch people mix up what was actually said with what was reported about what was said. Of course, there are some who do that on purpose to mislead others, but individuals need to think for themselves -- and think carefully and critically.


by fall
on 11/10/2009 11:04 pm

The interview make a strong point in separating action of palace circle on pretext of the King. It is actually a provocative piece. And to avoid people talk about this, the Dem spin this around so wonderfully. Scream LM and heap loads of BS on it, as a diversion. Now, no one even notice the idea.

And Thaksin, as usual, fumble up and issue a declamation statement. He should have taken it like a man and stress the point, but alas. The guy got a media suicide wish or something?


by Veharachan
on 11/10/2009 11:35 pm

BKK Lawyer: PLease go back to read the article again......"But in an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Thaksin claimed the king had been briefed by leading generals and privy councillors about their plans to remove the polarising former prime minister ahead of the 2006 coup..."

Thaksin relied on General Punlop (of all people) who did not have any first hand information.


by BP
on 11/11/2009 01:12 am
http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog

V - That is the lead again. Thaksin's words

"Gen Surayud, Gen Prem [Tinsulanonda, the senior member of the privy council] and another privy councillor went to have an audience with his majesty the king and told his majesty that they will do a favour for him by getting me because I am not loyal to the king," Mr Thaksin said. "That started the whole process."

Getting me does not equal coup.


by Kv
on 11/11/2009 03:36 am

It is a sad situation when it has to be called REFORM when you only want "The constitutional monarchy must be strictly abided by". Meaning to follow the existing laws. Only in countries like Thailand this would be called REFORM. To act like you are supposed to, by the book. 3rd world countries are all the same.


by Veharachan
on 11/11/2009 06:40 am

BP: The issue is whether Thaksin's interview with Financial Times support the heading that The King was aware of the coup. I think that interview corresponds to the heading more than this Timesonline interview calling for "shining new age after the King' death".

Thaksin's apology confirms my hunch that he did not have a chance to approve the whole article including the lead. This interview compounds his poor decision to play Hun Sen's game. The two incidents exposed him further as a man of poor judgment.


by Hobby
on 11/11/2009 08:28 am
http://www.nganadeeleg.blogspot.com/

To me all the pussyfooting/backtracking around the monarchy is just more of the same old B-S- that comes with Thailand, but the alleged assassination request by Privy Councillor Surayud in most countries would be a controversial and very serious issue, but apparently no one seems to even care about that????.


by StanG
on 11/11/2009 09:33 am
http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/

While Thaksin didn't call for a "shining new age" directly, he made it perfectly clear that the change in inner circle is necessary to advance democracy, and it could only happen after the King's death.

The "shining" phrase was simply a vote of confidence in Crown Prince's abilities, but it is perfectly justifiable to fuse these two ideas together.




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